The Den of Shadows

COGRAY · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:16 am Post subject:

I dont know but if so then what is the differance between Gabriel Not having lines he wont cross and Jaguar not having lines he won't cross? What makes Gabriel a sociopath and Jaugar not? What are the differances when it come to Jeshickah liking Jagaur and her liking Gabriel?
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Eternal_Night · Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Canada

Well I know that Jeshicka couldn't manage to break Gabriel, that was one of the issues that lead to her changing him. As for Jaguar I think she had more control over him [at one point] than she ever did over Gabriel.

As for moral lines and what not I think that Jaguar had too many connections to the world he use to live in and furthermore that he at one point gained a set of emotions as was proven in MP, thought at one point he may have been just as ruthless.

I also know that Gabriel was the one to teach Jaguar how to fight, indicating that he was the stronger of the two, though that may have to do with the time they were changed.

The fact that Gabriel showed signs of being a sociopath [or rather is a sociopath] simply means that he lacked empathy and found pleasure or satisfaction in taking control over others, this off course would make him an ideal trainer an a dangerous opponent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath There's a little article from wiki about sociopaths if anyone wants to know more.

Jaguar however has been shown to have feelings and regards for other people, though he may have been desensitized at some point during his time at Midnight [original] he didn't, in my opinion, loose all touch with such feelings.

Gabriel probably would be considered far more emotionally secluded, doing things either on a whim or because he wanted control

But that's just how I see things.

And you know what I'm so absolutely reobsessed with Gabriel, not that I ever stopped being obsessed with him, but still...

denofsha wrote:

Yes, that would be the right Gabriel. And it's not so much a matter of what he's done- though, he was a trainer for a couple hundred years- as the fact that he has this kind of cool emptyness in him. Gabriel Donovan doesn't have qualms. He doesn't have lines he won't cross. He controls his world, and those around him, just because it's what he does.

That made me unbelievably happy, I'm so never fogetting that statement.

All that aside I was wondering how Gabriel came to be in the possession of Jeshicka if he was the son of a well off captain then he wouldn't exactly be in the situation to fall into that sort of thing. I thought Gabriel grew up in Europe and unless he travelled with his father and was mistakenly thrown in for a slave or something [is that even possible?] how would he end up anywhere near midnight. Unless I'm wrong and he lived in the new world [probably the case].

Either way the thought intrigues me, along with the fact that he and jaguar were changer in the same year. Thoughts anyone?

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denofsha · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 914

Viorica · Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 628 Location: Newford

. . . Daryl has morals? Like what?
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Eternal_Night · Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Canada

denofsha wrote:

Gabriel Donovan and Jaguar de Fiaro were actually changed within a year of each other. Jeshickah picked Gabriel up as a distraction, because she was becoming frustrated with Jaguar; he was giving her trouble. She did eventually tame and change Jaguar, though by that time she had (as much as Jeshickah is capable) in her own way fallen for Gabriel.

Well that seems to mean that Gabriel was changed after Jaguar and if that's the case then why is it that Jaguar respects him so much. I mean it did say in that one except of Jade [I think it was Jade], that Jaguar learned to fight from him and that's just a little weird ro me.

I mean I always thought of Jaguar having the more physical history and if that's the case then how much could Gabriel really teach Jaguar?

Even if Gabriel was changed first it would exactly be ages before Jaguar was changed, not much time to get a leg up on someone like Jaguar in my opinion. Which means that Gabriel must have had skills to begin with or that part of Jaguar Gabriel interaction took place a while after they were changed.

As for Jeshickah falling for Gabriel I find that scary. I mean does that mean he still has influence over her or did she little absence cure her of such weaknesses?

What I find even stranger is the complete lack or morality. I know being morally void doesn't exactly mean he is emotionally void but if Gabriel can be thought of as a sociopath and he is rather lacking in morals does that mean that everything he does is for control and his own amusement. I mean the little that we saw of him in MP showed that he wasn't exactly kind but though he had a presene he didn't come out as strongly as he has been made to be here.

Does that mean that the passing interest he took in Alasdair was just for his own amusement?

Now I feel sorry for anyone he somes into contact with and I still want to bring him to life and have a little sit down with him. I must be crazy.

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Xenin · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject:

Eternal_Night · Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 53 Location: Canada

^ should be, I'm pretty sure Aureate is based on it.

As for the fact that Gabriel lives in your mind, ahar, i only have one thing to say. Can I come join him in there?

Anyways more question, or maybe they're ideas...

Did Gabriel just disappear when Midnight fell? I mean if Jashickah only had him at first to vent her anger he would be rather resentful towards that wouldn't he. I suppose could've been the time when he went and mixed himself up with Alasdiar but wasn't that while Midnight was still up, I always thought so anyways.

If that was the case then Gabriel would have had a centrury or two to kill and an avain would have only lasted so long, seeing as he didn't change her what on earth has he been up to for the rest of the time. The way i figure he would have been lurking around but with Silver's line is that really the smartest thing to do. I mean I can't exactly see him wandering into New Mayhem, what with being part of Katama's line and all.

And getting back to Alasdiar, did she possibly melt the cold heart of Gabriel, somehow that's a very unrealistic thought when compared to the image of Gabriel that pops into my head.

In MP it was mentioned that he had worked with Raven before so I supose he might have had little spats to take care of or politics to watch but for close to century, that's weird, in my opinion for a vamp. I wonder what he was up to. I'd like to think he was walking around pushing people around, and having a bit of fun but I suppose that's just wishful thinking.

Great now I'm all worked up about Gabriel again, at this rate I'll never get to sleep. And to think the Ebony series are so far in the future they're practically invisible. :: sigh ::

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Shoodle · Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 11 Location: U.S.A

I dont know why but I always thought that Gabriel would end up having narcissistic personality disorder, not sociopathy, but they are both cluster B disorders so its ok by me.